Conservatives: Always on the Wrong Side of History

Steve Kinsman By Steve Kinsman, 6th Jul 2014 | Follow this author | RSS Feed | Short URL http://nut.bz/rki7j9nf/
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Conservatives, to my mind, have a "stop the world I want to get off" mentality. They seem to always stand in the way of progress.

Stuck in cement

I have to laugh when I see Tea Party types dressed up like Revolutionary War characters and waving flags that read "Don't Tread on Me." The founding fathers they hold in such high regard were in no way conservatives. The conservatives of that day were the tories, royalists who were dead set against breaking from the British crown. Founding fathers such as Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were the radical left-wingers of the day. If old Ben and Tom were around today, Fox News would be calling them socialists.

Conservatives, it seems to me, are for the most part terrified of change. They want to keep things as they are. They're the champions of the status quo. Conservatives did not want to abolish slavery, did not want to mandate a forty-hour work week, did not want laws passed outlawing child labor, did not want women to secure the vote, and did not want school desegregation. Conservatives are always on the wrong side of history.

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I live in California with my wife Carol, where I have been practicing professional astrology for 35 years. I write articles on astrology, but I enjoy writing on a variety of other subjects as well..

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author avatar Retired
6th Jul 2014 (#)

Not only they are on the wrong side, rather are the creators of the abnormal behaviour. For instance, such groups like to exaggerate and amplify the attitudes of people throughout history. When modern science had threatened the status quo of the sixteenth century, they started the arguments of God vs Science; Theism vs Atheism; Creation vs Evolution; Pro-science vs Anti-Science, and so forth by endorsing Bible to be the book of both God and Science. Now, they would make science to be the religion by controlling the research, technology, information, and science fiction to create class differences in society; and use them for destructive applications and space programs, rather than for supporting the Earth’s inhabitants and its environment. The idea suggested is to exploit the Earth and leave. Goodness and right conduct can never be on the agenda of banking elites.

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
6th Jul 2014 (#)

Awesome comments Sachal. Thank you.

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author avatar Phyl Campbell
13th Jul 2014 (#)

You took the words right out of my mouth and made them better. Thanks, SS!

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author avatar Sivaramakrishnan A
6th Jul 2014 (#)

That means Steve they are not for an inclusive society, then the world will forever be divided - siva

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
6th Jul 2014 (#)

Exactly, they are excluders. We had an incident here the other day when a bus carrying children from Central America who had come over the border from Mexico and had been rounded up was surrounded by a bunch of right-wing crazies yelling and screaming all kinds of epithets at these poor kids.

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author avatar Phyl Campbell
13th Jul 2014 (#)

Yes -- disturbs me... I'm a damned individual for believing gays can marry and women have rights to their bodies, but actually helping the helpless -- who has the time? SMH.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
12th Jul 2014 (#)

They are absolutely for an inclusive society and a sane one too. California is on the edge of the country kind of state, that's why Steve talks like this :)

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author avatar Randhir Bechoo
6th Jul 2014 (#)

Interesting article.

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
6th Jul 2014 (#)

Thank you Randhir.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
12th Jul 2014 (#)

I am a conservative and I reached here after much speculation on the foolishness of liberal policies. The author is not entirely correct about Tea Party or what Conservatism is about: It's about maintaining sanity in politics, religion, economy, thinking, work, life etc. I think there is a mix up with extreme, on the edge behavior.

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
12th Jul 2014 (#)

The tea party conservatives would sell the commons to the highest bidder, as well as dismantle all environmental and health regulations which would put us all in danger. See Sachal Smith's comments above to understand where conservatives come from.

Liberal policies brought us four decades of prosperity after WWII, and then Reagan and Clinton's neoconservative policies set us on the road to a shrinking middle class and a redistribution of wealth upward so that we are now the most unequal society in the industrialized world.

As to your comment that Tea Party and conservatism are about maintaining sanity in politics, etc. - oh, please - Ted Cruz is sane? More tax breaks for billionaires is sane? Give me a break.

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author avatar Phyl Campbell
13th Jul 2014 (#)

I agree that there can be extremists in both parties.. However, when so much preaching from the pulpit leads to legislation and takes time away from rational policies and solving REAL economic problems, it is like Christian Taliban and Jihad and Americans MUST take our country back. The US was never meant to be a Christian nation, and certainly not a Christian Hypocrisy!!

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author avatar Joyce Singha
13th Jul 2014 (#)

There is no Taliban and Jihad in Christianity. This concept belongs solely to Islam. Taliban is all for going back to the 7th century in terms of women's rights (which were never there in Islam anyway) and education. Jihad is merely legitimizing killing in the name of Islam or those who refuse it or convert. How many killings are being done in the name of Christianity or Jesus or God in America or in other non-Muslim nations? On the other hand, every terrorist act, every killing, every beheading by Muslim extremists/ radicals/ fundamentalists/ terrorists is done in the name of Allah! Where is the perspective here?

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
13th Jul 2014 (#)

And the Tea Party is all for going back to the 1950s to some fantasized Ozzie and Harriet world which never existed in the first place.

How many killings in the name of Christianity? Over the centuries, I'd say several million. Christian anti-abortionists are murdering doctors in America in the name of God. Right-wing Christian pastors in the South have recently called for executing gays.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
13th Jul 2014 (#)

This is about this century, this decade, these past few years. There is a vast difference between calling for heads and chopping them off. For fear of Islam, people dump on Christianity :(

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
13th Jul 2014 (#)

Abortion doctors have been murdered in THIS century. People are calling for the heads of gays in THIS century. I have found this over and over again to be true - when you put the facts in front of a right winger, they still stick to their guns even ion the face of incontrovertible evidence - cognitive dissonance, I think its called.

Unfortunately, the policies of the U.S. create terrorists. Every time Obama sends a drone over Yemen or Pakistan and it kills innocent civilians, it creates terrorists. When we stop exploiting and plundering the Muslim world the jihad is likely to stop.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
13th Jul 2014 (#)

The Muslim world has been killing and murdering their own for the last few centuries. For once America can assure itself that nothing it did, does or will do will affect the MiddleEast or its people.
Whatever stray murders have been done against abortion doctors remain crimes; How many gay heads have been chopped off in America. Now, if they were NOT in America, nothing would have remained of gays. These crimes are not on the level of systematic murders by Muslim terrorists in the name of religion; numbers run in millions. Every time they kill, they invoke Allah's name, everything the terrorists do is for Allah. They say it themselves, who are we to protest or find reasons why they do it!
I think Steve you might be aware of what I am trying to say; there is no comparison between what happens in America and rest of the world. Americans have it pretty good here. Liberals screaming against 'atrocities' in America is in itself an atrocity.

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
13th Jul 2014 (#)

Look, I'm not going to apologize for radical Islamists, but I understand what produces them. George Bush said they hate us for our freedoms, which is ridiculous and reveals the limited thinking capacity of the conservative mind that sees everything in black and white simplistic terms. We need to understand what causes their actions against the U.S. If someone sent a drone over your neighborhood and it killed a totally innocent person, say your brother, would you just roll over and take it?

Liberals screaming against atrocities in America is an atrocity????? Wha...??? t are you talking about??

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author avatar Joyce Singha
14th Jul 2014 (#)

If yoou understand what produces radicalism in Islam, then we're on the same page. There's nothing to understand; it's a matter of acceptance of their ideology.
Regarding Liberals shrieking against injustices here, I meant in perspective. For example, equating 'denial of 4 contraceptives out of 16 in the Hobby Lobby case' is hardly reason to say this is impinging on women's reproductive rights; it just means women can and should pay for it. Another example: American women liberals did not have a single world of support for Honor Diaries film depicting honor killings; instead they joined forces with CAIR to denounce the film and Hirsi Ali, a very brave woman. Liberals here need some solid causes to protest about, not some wishy washy ones. Thanks Steve.

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
14th Jul 2014 (#)

I'm not familiar with your last example. Would you condemn the Israelis who are making a sport of that country's attacks on Gaza? Or, can Israel do no wrong, as most conservatives contend? See my article published today.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
14th Jul 2014 (#)

It's not that Israel can do no wrong but has to do with being the lone one amongst rogues who lose no opportunity in ganging up against this tiny country, the only democracy there. I hate bullies and that entire region is a bully pen. If I had my house surrounded by rogues, I would live with my fists up all the time. I actually like Israel because it manages to do a good job with its survival against all odds.

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
14th Jul 2014 (#)

Article's title is "Israelis Turn War into a Spectator Sport"

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author avatar Retired
14th Jul 2014 (#)

This article leaves out all the the good stuff that conservatives stand for, those things liberals regard as unimportant such as free enterprise, personal incentive, reaping reward for work, capitalism, individualism, self reliance, work ethic, religion over secular, traditional institutions, generosity through charity rather than through government, and small government. Conservatives reject the idea that a small group of elites or governments know all the answers while thinking everybody else is stupid. But, try to tell that to the non-conservatives running this country into the ground.

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author avatar Joyce Singha
14th Jul 2014 (#)

Thank you LeRain so putting all the good stuff so beautifully here.

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
15th Jul 2014 (#)

That's because liberals - at least this one - disagree with your idea of the "good stuff." Free enterprise - we have free enterprise for most of us but we have welfare for the rich in this country (tax breaks, subsidies) Personal incentive - who says we don't value personal incentive? That's patently not true - just something right wingers make up and put out there as truth, like a Fox News talking point. Capitalism - capitalism is the most grotesque economic system ever devised. It has resulted in about 10 percent of the world's people prospering and ninety percent suffering. Capitalism is a failed economic system, which is patently obvious to most but not to the myopic vision of conservatives. Neither conservatives or liberals have a monopoly on individualism - just another myth the right accepts as true. Same is true for self-reliance. The ultra rich and the corporations are the world's biggest welfare queens, so don't preach to us about self-reliance. Work ethic? The poor work harder than anybody just trying to survive. Religion over secular institutions - organized religion is the opiate of the masses and conservatives alike. One day hopefully humanity will evolve beyond religion. Charity does not come close to meeting the needs of people who are unemployed as a result of the "conservative" banksters robbing us blind. Your assertion that a small group of elites know all the answers is another tea party talki9ng point with no basis in fact It's the right wingers, in my observation, that go around thinking everybody but them is stupid. I think you're calling the kettle black there, my friend. Conservatism is the philosophy of selfishness and greed, and it is simplistic. believing for instance that poor people are poor because they're lazy. Conservative is for people who don't think deeply and don't understand root causes.

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