Goodbye, Wikinut

David Reinstein,LCSW By David Reinstein,LCSW, 3rd Sep 2012 | Follow this author | RSS Feed
Posted in Wikinut>Writing>Personal Experiences

After over a year here on Wikinut, a review of the numbers tells me that it is time to go. With some sense of regret but with clarity of mind, I bid my fellow Wikinutters a fond farewell.

Dear Wikinutters,

Dear Wikinutters,

I joined your ranks and became a Wikinutter a little over a year ago. Like many others, I have had some experience writing for internet sites and was attracted by the ease of article construction here, the ambience of the community of writers as well as by the open invitation to republish work that had been posted elsewhere. The only question was, simply, “Why not?” It seemed like a no-brainer.

Soon after beginning here by reposting some pre-existing work, I began to create some unique content that seemed more specifically suited to Wikinut, illustrations and all. Since the initial post here, in July 2011, I have logged 243 posts, 10,791 (meaningless) “Nutpoints,” attracted 582 Followers and have garnered a total, as of today, of 89,126 hits (or Page Views as they are often referred to.) For my efforts, I have received a grand total of $3.97. That was paid to me about four months ago.

For contrast, at YCN (the former Associated Content) I am paid $2. per thousand hits. The 89,126 views that I have drawn here on Wikinut were worth $178. there.The math is neither complex nor ambiguous. It is simply silly to continue to publish here.

I will leave my account open and am glad to receive whatever small accumulations of tuppence/farthings/pesos/pennies my posts here may earn over time, but posting additional and especially original work on Wikinut is not a sensible thing for me to do. It is time for me to join the continuing parade of writers who have left this site in the past year – primarily for the same reason. It is not just about money. The complete lack of responsiveness from the site managers (the ChiefNut, Sam W., etc.) have added insult to injury. The Moderators have been good and responsive but they, as you all know, are not vested with any authority to ‘fix’ anything.

I value the virtual relationships I have made here and do not feel that I have wasted my time. I DO feel, however, that I have learned a lesson. I wish everyone well. I understand the drive to create and have that in common with most of my Wikinut associates. For those of you who are content to keep on writing here, I hope that it brings you the satisfaction you seek and deserve. It just is not working well enough for me.

In Hebrew, the word is dayenu; literally, ‘enough already.’

With regrets,
David

PS:
For anyone interested in continuing to follow my work, I invite you to visit me at YCN.

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Associated Content, Chief Nut, David Reinstein, Nutpoints, Wikinut, Wkinutters, Ycn

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Clinical Social Worker (Psychotherapist), humorist, poet and musician, Born in Boston and a relatively unscathed survivor of the 60's.
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author avatar jlcdreamer
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

I'm so sad when I red your post because I'm only a beginner here, but I understand your explanation about this. God Bless Sir.

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author avatar Steve Kinsman
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

Ditto jlcdreamer's remarks. Wikinut won't be the same without you David. I'm bummed.

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

Thanks Steve and jlcdreamer- The decision has been fermenting in my mind for some months now. The "dayenu" conclusion was difficult to come to ... But, I am too old (and hopefully, wise) to kid myself about something so blatantly obvious.
I will miss you, too.

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author avatar 1realistutopian
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

I just arrived here too...and after my experiences elsewhere, I certainly understand how you feel. Good luck, I wish you well.

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

I wish all the newbees the best... Perhaps things will change and maybe, to some, my issues are not theirs...

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author avatar johnnydod
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

I Will so miss you David, I have in fact spoken to Sam about getting more power for moderators and he agreed and is looking into it.
I do understand about the payment and agree with you, and both Mark and I have tackled him about that as well, he has promised to look at getting more payment. we wait with anticipated awareness lol
I am glad you are keeping your account open, maybe I can tempt you back again, Wikinut NEEDS writers like you.
All the best in whatever and where ever you go David ..
B'HATZlacha."בהצלחה

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

Thanks Johnny,
And "Good Luck" to you, too!
L'hitroat.
David

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author avatar Jerry Walch
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

I know how you feel David, and your reasons are also my reason for not publishing anything new here on Wikinut. Actually I've cut my online writing back to just a few sites that pay me up front for what I write for them For example, DS pays me $25 to $35 per 400 to 500 word article and I can average two of them per hour since thewy are on subjects that I am an expert in so little research is needed.

Good luck to you. Like you I'm leaving my account here open so I can keep up on what the people that I'm following are doing.

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author avatar Ms. Ann
7th Sep 2012 (#)

Jerry, I can't help but intrude because I am curious to know what site is DS? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks! Ann

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author avatar Jerry Walch
7th Sep 2012 (#)

Demand Studios, Ms. Ann. They are not an easy site to get accepted by--you have to go through a formal application process and submit writing sample for review--but for those who make the cut, the rewards are great.

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author avatar Ms. Ann
17th Sep 2012 (#)

Thank you Jerry for the information. I appreciate it!

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author avatar Retired
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

Shalom David, and so sorry to see you go, but glad I'll keep seeing you on YCN, which Is where, I, too am more active than here, for similar reasons. In fact, for any mutual friends reading this, consider this a 'ditto'. though I may post on occasion here and continue to read your posts as well.

I'm very glad to see Johnny's comment and hope things do change. I ditto Johnny too, in feeling happy you keep the doors open and if things change, maybe we'll see you back here gracing the Wikinut halls with your thoughtful poetry, unique style, fine articles and music, too. :)


L'hitroat!

Rama devi

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author avatar Rathnashikamani
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

As on today you have 1,982,543 page views at YCN (the former Associated Content) which means you have been already paid $3965 since 14 May 2007.

A costly lesson though, we're also learning from your experience.

Best wishes to you and good luck.

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author avatar Buzz
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

Hardly surprising, David, for the bulk of regulars like you have disappeared. Me like you were no less concerned. And I have tried, unsuccessfully, as you know, to have forewarned the site early on thru a series of articles the downfall of Wikinut because of apathy and utter neglect. Unbelievably, throughout all this, our cries fell on deaf ears, and much more incredibly, some fellow writers who stand to benefit from our "struggle" to make the site a better and competitive place in comparison with the others, have (mis)-construed the move "negative.'" even while other writers were obviously moving out en masse. And even when I tried to posit the move for change, some moderators, instead of supporting it, opted for a state of perpetual denial, when they knew all along that the administrators under the Chief Nut, have been steering the site horribly off course. Enough said.

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author avatar Ms. Ann
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

David, It saddens me to see you go BUT I understand your sense of futility. I write on that site as well as some other sites for a longer period of time. You write good articles. Don't want to miss your articles. Let me know where you go. Best of Everything!

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author avatar cnwriter..carolina
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

so sorry you are going David..I do understand why and respect that very much...take care and keep on writing the great way you do...namaste...

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author avatar Mark Gordon Brown
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

There are many websites where writers write as volunteers but for those who are looking for paid sites it can be a struggle.

I assure you that Sam has spoken to me about getting more advertising on this site to boost earnings. Hopefully soon!

I do not want to say you will be missed, because I hope you will pop in from time to time. We all enjoy you writing, sometimes the very reason for writing is not money, and when you just want to say something - feel free to do so!

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

I hope that the conversation(s) with Sam become more than conversation in time to salvage some of the talented writers here ...

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

David, I echo both Johnny and Mark's remarks. As a writer I have noted that the majority of paid writing sites have significantly reduced the amount writers are paid. It is a pity to lose a good writer like yourself from Wikinut.

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
3rd Sep 2012 (#)

Thank you, Peter. Best wishes to you as well!

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author avatar GV Rama Rao
4th Sep 2012 (#)

My dear David,
It is sad to see gifted writers like you leave this site.
Writing is always a heartbreak alley. Even with published books writers do not make money, not as much as they deserve, but some writers who write trash and pulp fiction, surprisingly, make pots of money. Remember, the cup is not always to the fastest and the prize to the wisest.
I can't dispute your choice.
Farewell, and wish you good luck.

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author avatar Katherine Johnson
4th Sep 2012 (#)

See ya later I hope everything works out. I work for helium in addition to writing here, I also do squidoo, hubpages and a few other sites so I am not afraid of the amount of work I put here. Thank you for your time, I hope you find what you are looking for.

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
4th Sep 2012 (#)

Dear GV,
Yes, I know... On the other hand, it is a good thing to know when efforts are better appreciated (and rewarded) elsewhere, and
Dear Katherine,
A part of finding what one is looking for is recognizing when something is not.
C'est la vie.
Thanks.
David

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author avatar Delicia Powers
4th Sep 2012 (#)

Your wisdom and poetry are irreplaceable David....

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
4th Sep 2012 (#)

I am flattered, Delicia, but I truly hope that this is not the case,

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author avatar neeta desai
4th Sep 2012 (#)

goodbye and god bless

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author avatar Buzz
4th Sep 2012 (#)

There should come a time when the last straw break the camels' back.

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author avatar Jojay
4th Sep 2012 (#)

David, so sorry that you're leaving! I looked forward to your articles, and have never been disappointed in any of them. I know exactly what you're saying when you ended your post with the word dayenu. I say that to myself every time I calculate my earnings and see that after months, I'm not able to buy myself a large espresso. I love writing but I'm way past the time that I wanted to share my writing for free. (Or for pennies.) Writing is a dream job, but it is a 'job' and a lot of work goes into it. I love writing for Wikinut, but I also love getting something tangible ($) for my efforts, and that ain't happening here. Anyway, bye and good luck and I hope to read an occasional pop-in-post? from you.

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author avatar Buzz
4th Sep 2012 (#)

We did this today.. Let the world witness... to the limit of its patience how a fucking site like this ever wakes up.......

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author avatar Denise O
6th Sep 2012 (#)

I understand exactly where you are coming from and to be quite honest, it saddens me. I remember over 2 years ago when I found this site, we were all for making this the best writing site ever and then reality sets in. I come here, sit, look at the screen and then think, is it really worth it all and then I log out. I have witnessed many great writers come and go on this site and yes, you (now) join that club, sorry but, as I have stated earlier, I do understand. You will be missed. We do not always agree on content but one thing I can not dispute is, you sure can write a great article no matter the subject. The best of luck on your journey in life. Your friend, Denise:)

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
6th Sep 2012 (#)

Thanks, Denise..
I expect to continue to read you!
Best of luck.
David

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author avatar Han Van Meegerin
7th Sep 2012 (#)

Here is some moral support. I didn't click an ad so you didn't make any money from this post. Take care and stay in touch.

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
7th Sep 2012 (#)

With 'support' like that, Han.... who needs...???
David

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author avatar Carol
10th Sep 2012 (#)

I am sorry you are going David, you write with great wisdom, and experience.

I get a lot of page views, but not much earnings, but I suppose my love of writing, and the camaraderie here has kept me going. I wish you all the best in the future.

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
10th Sep 2012 (#)

THanks, Carol...
I love to write, too and the people I have met here are wonderful... but being exploited is just not in my blood or temperament.
Best to you, too!
David

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author avatar Sandee
21st Sep 2012 (#)

David,

I'm sorry to see you leave when I just joined! But I am glad that I stumbled upon your article

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author avatar Retired
30th Sep 2012 (#)

Hello David, I'm new here and have only posted a few articles. I've always toyed with the idea of writing a book; but I am the laziest human being on the planet. When I discovered this place, I thought it would be a good venue to practice writing. I figured I could pace myself and just write a chapter at a time and see how well the material was received. It's been fun, but the reason it's called WikiNUT is that you'd have to be nuts to think you could earn a living writing here. :) I actually think the chief NUT would do himself better by not offering any monetary reward for publishing an article; because lets face it.......there isn't any. Then, he wouldn't keep losing valuable contributors like yourself over promised income. We would just write for the pleasure of writing, and there wouldn't be any let downs from the absolute joke of the payout here. I wish you all the best success in the future.

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
30th Sep 2012 (#)

No argument... but I seem to suffer from a (relatively benign) addiction :-}

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author avatar Retired
2nd Oct 2012 (#)

I've recently noticed that...lol.
Perhaps it's really not about the money after all. Personally, I think I've had enough practice here for awhile. Time to get serious. Especially since non of my articles or chapters got a 'star' :) Kind of disappointing actually.......I've read some real crap here that got a star rating. :)

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
2nd Oct 2012 (#)

"All Stars are equal, but some are more equal than others".... paraphrase of Geo. Orwell in "Wikifarm."

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author avatar Ms. Ann
3rd Oct 2012 (#)

Can you tell me about some good!! writing sites? After years on Helium, they have closed my account for an article I duplicated on Wikinut. I reworked the article but that is not a great thing to do. If you know any, please share!

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author avatar Jerry Walch
3rd Oct 2012 (#)

As I told you back in September, Ms. Ann, Demand Studios is the best site to write for. Did you apply with them?

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author avatar Ms. Ann
3rd Oct 2012 (#)

Hi Jerry,
No I have not applied to Demand Studios. I like writing religious articles more than other types. I saw relationships but religious. Thanks again Jerry!

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author avatar Rose*
14th Oct 2012 (#)

I'm new here, so I'm a little sad to read what people really earn on this site.

People may wish to try Squidoo (lots of information online about it). They allow you to put amazon modules on your pages and they can be pretty lucrative. Anyway, good luck with whatever you do next!

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author avatar David Reinstein,LCSW
14th Oct 2012 (#)

I have investigated MANY sites, but have decided to write, primarily, for YAHOO and, from time-to-time here. Reason: Not money,,, It is because at my place in life getting to write and publish what I feel like writing is what matters the most to me. I am lucky enough to have a day job.

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