How Writers Destroy Writing Sites

kaylarStarred Page By kaylar, 30th May 2015 | Follow this author | RSS Feed
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How using various tricks and playing the Site those who publish there dig their own graves

Take a Hard Look

There is a Jamaican proverb, “You don’t Sh8t where you eat”. If more so-called online writers understood this statement, probably writing sites would not be paying so little and not be falling into the void.

Yes, there are owners of sites who can take some of the blame; i.e. abandoning a site, not having human moderators, letting anything be published, etc. However, one can lay the blame on those ‘riters’ and ‘crapiters’ whose only greed turns a site into a 'content farm’.

Be Honest

I set off the term 'riters’ in italics to distinguish those people who know better but do worse. They do worse to get their stuff at the top by keyword stuffing, saying nothing in the required number of characters.

'Crapiters’ are not writers. They can not write. They can plagiarise, they can and do repeat themselves over and again, so that they may write four articles by copying one items, breaking it into four items, and filling the quota by rephrasing that paragraph three or four times.

Real Moderation


Where there are real moderators with real powers, the site can remain respectable. The 'riters’ are embarrassed, and snap back into being writers, the craptiers move away. Very few sites have this level of administrative interest.

Yes, once most writing sites paid well and had value, but with the proliferation of publishing sites, with the invasion of advertisement so that many sites are more ad than item, it has become more lucrative for the owners to sit back and let the site go to hell in a hand basket and let advertisers use the prose as wall paper.

Those who post those crappy ads pay X for the right. Sure, it’s pennies, but paying for a commercial at 2 a.m. during some rerun of a rerun is pennies. Getting one minute during a prime time drama, an important sporting event costs the big bucks.

As most writing sites are considered as those reruns the price received by writers has plunged.

Reflections

When I say I used to make $50 a month on Triond, those who were there in those days are not impressed, many made more.

On this sub-site the payout was 1c for 6 views on that sub-topic, 1c for 10 views. Now, one gets 1c for 1k views.

Whose fault?

The owner? The 'riters’ or 'crapiters?’

In the old days one could Stumble items, now; “We do not accept...” becomes the standard.

When it comes to hits, certain sites, marked down by Google appear on the 5th page, if that 'high’. If you were searching for 'How to Wash Silk” the item with those words in the title, being published on 'Gomestic’ (a Triond subsite) comes way way down; after, numerous items which have other words in the Title.

This is to give you a 'heads up’ on what happens when a site is marked 'Content Farm’ by Search Engines.

Your Choice

It is up to you where you want Wikinut to be. You can continue to post crap, with your five images, your five links, your five bolds, and get your Star and help the site lose views, or you can do your best and demand that only the best be published and thus help this site gain the deference which will reflect in revenues.

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Content Farms, Publishing, Revenue, Triond, Wikinut, Writing

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
30th May 2015 (#)

This made me think about the fact that yesterday I rejected several submissions with dreadful English, yet all that happens is I have to reject them again the following day.

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author avatar kaylar
30th May 2015 (#)

Something has to be done to preserve this site. For a lot of rubbish is getting through.

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author avatar pohtiongho
31st May 2015 (#)

Kaylar: If you see the rubbish, why not just mention it, so that the writer can read it?

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author avatar kaylar
31st May 2015 (#)

look at 'Star pages' , going through the past few pages...
see how many half written items are there, how many cut & pastes from other sources

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
31st May 2015 (#)

It is true that things do slip through from time to time, moderators are human and do err. But there have been days when I have rejected more than 12 articles due to 1) copying other peoples material, 2) very bad English, 3) containing advertising material, 4)UPPER CASE ONLY in the titles. It is soul destroying to reject everything you see though.

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author avatar kaylar
31st May 2015 (#)

If someone tries and they just aren't making it, i.e. if English is a 2nd language, then a nice note trying to encourage them is in order. But what I am talking about can be seen when one looks for real information.

Suppose one wrote an article; "History of the Bicycle" and you click on it, you're interested, but it's crap. It is repeating rubbish like, 'bicycles have two wheels, unlike tricycles which have three wheels and..." but the 'crapiter' does not touch the history; but it has 5 bold 5 link 5 images...

Now the reader is turned off...it's like..oh this is another crap site...and reads NOTHING else...for the dirty brush daubs everyone.

My view is that the best articles, whether written in 2012 or 2015 are 'pinned'. Say, three each day, and then the best of what has recently been published.
The 'pinned' pages can sit for a week or so, then be replaced by other 'pinned' pages. The 'pinned' stuff can make up a special category; ie. Wikinut Classics.
In this way new viewers would be attracked.

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author avatar Lady Aiyanna
30th May 2015 (#)

Well truth of writing is part of your personality, what does your personality make you write.
Many write a lot but not all of it is accepted to be recognised as a worldwise phenomenon.
Not praising myself here but after leaving Wikinut, I grew my own public page and got similar audience if not more and with over 6000 odd fans now, some of it paid none the less but within $100 still despite still running it after two years and writing everyday.
I get about 300 odd fans as on now within $3-4 promotional runs.

Have to say, quality of writing on Wikinut is down. Most of the writings are either religious or sex oriented and others are just to frivilous in their writing methodologies and linguistics.

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author avatar kaylar
31st May 2015 (#)

I am seeing very much as you mentioned. it is not just religious or sex or whatever; it is HOW it is written.

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author avatar kaylar
20th Aug 2015 (#)

That is the point...right there, Aiyanna. When Wiki was pretty strict and strong writers dominated...now, as you also note...quality is down...

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author avatar Vicente Sudiacal
30th May 2015 (#)

Very nice page, it made me realize my mistakes in writing, Thank you very much.

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author avatar kaylar
31st May 2015 (#)

What you want to do, is give information, real information, not rubbish.

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author avatar Mark Gordon Brown
31st May 2015 (#)

I know what Kaylar is talking about. Yes there is a lot of trash submitted here, I agree. We certainly do reject a lot (horrid grammar, plagiarized content, and so forth).
I will admit that we moderators are human and some bad articles get published. If you ever see a horrible article, message the moderator who published it, send them the URL, and tell them what is wrong with it, and tell them to have Sam delete if it is against the rules of the site, or if the grammar is so poor that it is clearly crap.

People should realize that ONE EXCELLENT article will do better for them than 3-4 crap ones because people are more likely to share the good ones.

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author avatar kaylar
31st May 2015 (#)

The Star page should be the best items published; some should be pinned and remain up for a week or so, so that the visitor is enticed by the excellent work and joins to produce excellent work.

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author avatar Sivaramakrishnan A
31st May 2015 (#)

A good take Kaylar. I started writing at Associated Content which later became YCN and then Yahoo Voices. I had a good time, but was not eligible for payment as I was not US resident. Then I started at Bukisa but I am happy now with Wikinut.

I love to read few of the authors here who put much efforts into their articles and try to encourage others too with a hope they will move up. When I read some posts which are not up to scratch, I give a gentle hint.

I am one of those who try to maintain a standard and before submission I make sure I have had something to convey and to make the reader think.When people respond with their comments I feel fulfilled for my efforts - siva

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author avatar kaylar
31st May 2015 (#)

I write at a standard. I will, after writing, do the link/bold/image thing but I don't write with that as my map.
Too many writers will take a half baked item, break it in too, stuff it, say nothing, and get the star.
Poor show.

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
31st May 2015 (#)

Is the overall quality down on Wikinut? I am not sure that it is. To me bad English should not be either a featured page of a star page but some get to be because the writer knows how to fiddle the system.

The problem is the difference between poor language usage and that which should be rejected. If the writing is complete gobbledegook then clearly it should be rejected, the problem is there are many writers, whose native tongue is not English, and they are writing to the best of their ability and making one or two errors per paragraph - Wikinut encourages moderators to publish these, but tell the writer how they can improve, yet there are many that fail to improve, clearly not reading moderator comments.

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author avatar kaylar
31st May 2015 (#)

Fiddling the system is the major problem. Poor English needs a response. There is a diff. between a typo and poor English

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author avatar peachpurple
20th Aug 2015 (#)

i agree that the front page should be all star pages

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author avatar kaylar
21st Aug 2015 (#)

The problem with Star pages today, is that they are not. Many are rubbish. It is not poor grammar or spelling, it is, as I said before...crap. It says nothing, it simply touches all bases. Images that may have nothing to do with the item.

The fact is, going back a year, one would find some excellent items that were well stumbled. Today, look at the Star Page...is there anything there of value?

The Mods should be allowed to get into the 'archives' put the best on the front page so that any visitor will see some inspiring stuff, and read, and good writers will join thinking they have a high standard to maintain.

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author avatar kaylar
21st Aug 2015 (#)

The point is this; if the first page entices viewers then the site goes up. The whole site.

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author avatar pohtiongho
21st Aug 2015 (#)

Kaylar: My following article was posted to Wikinut twiced. But it simply vanished, not rejected. Can any guy please prove to me it was cut and paste article?

Indian farmers discovered they had been cheated, because government officers had taken their farmed land, using powers of eminent domain laid out in India’s colonial-era land acquisition law, at a very cheap price. Then the acquired had been sold to private sectors at 14 times what the farmers received as compensation. The original price had been inflated 14 times. This is definitely an unsavoury sales tactic. The private companies must be allowed to deal directly with the farmers, to prevent this sort of exploitation from happening again.
In one incident, India’s Supreme Court ruled that the state’s acquisition of the land was illegal. But the land could not be returned as thousands of families had already paid for flats of the partially completed buildings. The court only increased the compensation to another 64% in the compensation payments, which was still too low, based on the amount of money paid to the corrupt officers by the flat buyers.
India was trying to transform from a rural, agrarian society to an industrialized, urbanized economy. Will the Indian farmers continue to accept widespread compulsory land acquisition? Do they have the chance to refuse?
India inherited the British 1894 Land Acquisition Act, which allowed the state to take private land for public purposes, if owners were fairly compensated. So far India had used this power to take over land for roads, dams, steel mills, power plants, industrial townships, military bases, schools, hospitals etc. Many greedy politicians took bigger tracts than their projects required.
It is common to acquire land from the farmers, rezone it into urban land and sell it at more than 14 times the value, to urban dwellers. India is a country which is most complex to administer. For example, all the Buddhists properties were managed by Hindus. Why are the Buddhists not able to manage their own properties? The state governments will continue to snap up land tracts for new smart cities or industrial zones. When will the farmers get a fair deal?
Greedy people use their power to take private land and sell it to companies at more than ten times the price they paid to the farmers. Rooting out corruption is the best means of solving India’s problems today, and crackdown on graft is the next issue the honest Indians need to look into.
An upsurge of separatists, ethnic, and political violence is going on in the remote north-eastern states that border Myanmar and China. Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata party formed the government, why are numerous tribal and rebel groups violently expressing their grievances against Delhi?
It was said whatever Delhi gave to them were grabbed by corrupt ministers and bureaucrats, before those aids could reach the minorities. The Hindus also called the minorities “Chinkies” meaning Chinese or Nepalis.
The dilemma of the north-east began when India got independence from Britain in 1947, when the Naga tribes, and the Manipur were forced to be parts of India. The excuse was that, otherwise, the Chinese would take over. The Himalayan state of Arunachal Pradesh was claimed by China. Human rights groups documented 1528 unnecessary murders (extrajudicial killings) between 1979 and 2012. The warring parties in Nagaland confirmed the sovereignty was the main issue, and it will take a very long time and great effort to solve this problem. Even today, the thugs, in India’s north-east, routinely block main roads demanding protection money of Rs10 000 for a truck load of steel reinforcing bars, from Guwahati to Manipur.

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author avatar kaylar
21st Aug 2015 (#)

I can tell you; your grammar isn't too wonderful. I assume English is your 2nd language. The content is okay, if someone rearranged it to match English Grammatical standards.

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author avatar kaylar
10th Dec 2015 (#)

As Wikinut dies, the whores arrive.

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author avatar SaigonDeManila
11th Jan 2016 (#)

I finally drop by here after checking the link in your "why wikinut went down"...i remember when I was strugglng to keep up with the stinking system of Bubblews. They did not paid my initial batches of redemption while appealing my case and holding my integrity I tried to play policeman and run after those plagiarist and reporting the scums, nobody gave me tap on my shoulder nor replied to my missing redemptions. They finally paid me on my 3rd redemption when Bubblews increase the threshold, but too late the plagiarist and "i.p" thieves already game the system and internally infected the whole cash cow. I see the analogy of your article here Kaylar, though before i join Wikinut i also saw some articles telling the poor management here from incognito owner. It saddens "us" aspiring writers regardless of English command to see our chosen domain being eaten away by pesky termites and few have the power to change this until this apocalyptic "static" scenario of turning wikinut into another absolute comatose site short of being euthanized in the next few months. From all others were saying including the new management "team" I don't see any turn around after seeing we past already the better days of Wikinut (when we can still be rewarded even for few pennies than our own blogsite can earn). The starpage still paradoxically around, the featured page lording over from the good reads, while serious writers already packed their bags to see the greener pasture at the other side of the fence. Meantime I still have few hous to save the rest of my articles before worst scenario being "lock-in" under the basement morgue of this once alternative site.
Enjoy the new year Comrade.

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author avatar kaylar
12th Jan 2016 (#)

This site did pay pennies. Unlike the born scam of Bubblews...which paid those with US I.P.s...cause in America one can contact their Attorney General...and didn't pay those of us in the 3rd and 4th world.

The best writers left a while back. Unlike me, they didn't complain about the Star Page rubbish or the absent owners. They just left.

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