The Great Grammar Debate

MariahStarred Page By Mariah, 27th Sep 2013 | Follow this author | RSS Feed | Short URL http://nut.bz/66n85fic/
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What do you consider to be your priority as a Wikinut Author?
How highly do you rate the importance of meticulous grammar?
Read on to find out more on this subject.

User Friendly Writing Site Or Back At School?



I decided to write this article,
purely
to obtain the general opinion on the subject of Grammar.

Of course we are all guilty of imperfections in our writings, but I have yet to find an article, of which quality reading content has been undermined, by the lack of, or too many commas, dashes etc

Whereas there is a much needed and appreciated place for writing tips, advice on presentation and
guidance from moderators, editing tips, constructive criticism etc,
it is however, in my opinion, a little excessive and overbearing, in extending this to grammar lessons, portraying illustrated levels of accuracy in the usage of grammar, as posted by fellow authors.

We are not, in the first instance, the recipients of high earnings for our contributions, which indeed can
command this level of perfection.


The majority of authors who remain loyal to Wikinut, do so because we see it as our writing home.
There's a real community spirit attached to Wikinut, born out of the love of writing and in the bonding of authors, with many becoming long term friends.

We are not prone to getting out the grammar flaw microscope, which additionally could very easily be construed as overall general criticism.

Presssure Of Presentation

Please be assured, I am not suggesting that this was the intent of the authors concerned, nor have I any doubt that any possible adverse effects were sincerely overlooked.

That said, it is not without possibility, that in the aftermath of such grammar related postings, authors may feel very conscious and under pressure 'to run for the grammar book'.. before writing and posting articles.

Does that then not run the risk of less publications because it will become more like writing an essay at school, which will be felt as being under scrutiny by grammar gurus?

It also has to be considered in that this could have an adverse effect on the volume of new members choosing to join Wikinut, if such an impression is given of the requirement being.. 'impeccable grammar usage is paramount'

It could very easily create the ambiance of a 'stuffed shirt website' seeking out only those who can rise to the demand.

'Perception' is extremely important when trying to attract additional members.

Multinational Authors

We have many fine authors on Wikinut, of which English is not their native language.

I am full of admiration for these authors, as they demonstrate the ability to both translate and present excellent articles.

These authors may now also feel under additional 'grammar pressure' respectively.




Writing From The Heart

When something is truly and visibly written from the heart, as is an everyday occurrence on Wikinut......
Who is counting the commas, the dashes, semi colons, and checking the verbs, the nouns, the adjectives??

Nobody that is reading it in the true spirit of our Site!!

Write..Share... and Just Enjoy

There is nothing more enjoyable than sharing with, and reading the work of friends on Wikinut.

Yes, we should all proof our writing before publishing, but never lose the real meaning of why we enjoy our site, by becoming too preoccupied with scanning and checking that we are grammar perfect.

Remember that there is nothing more important on this site, than the sharing with, and reading the work of friends on here on Wikinut.

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author avatar Mariah
27th Sep 2013 (#)

Thank you Mark, for both the moderation and the Star. much appreciated.

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author avatar Mark Gordon Brown
27th Sep 2013 (#)

Moderators get many articles with bad grammar (and not being a grammar expert myself..) we have to sort through which are forgivable due to language differences, and which are not - either due to sloppy writing or cheating and changing words around. Often times posts with bad grammar are ones that were spun from good articles by other writers.

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author avatar Mariah
27th Sep 2013 (#)

Fair points Mark
Thank you

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author avatar Mike Robbers
27th Sep 2013 (#)

Grammar is definitely essential for any article. Great post Mariah!

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author avatar Mariah
27th Sep 2013 (#)

Agreed, it's more a question of do you feel that suggested meticulous attention to grammar usage ie overuse missed or misplaced commas etc could put pressure on writers on this type of site.
Thanks for reading and commenting Mike

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author avatar Sivaramakrishnan A
28th Sep 2013 (#)

I do agree Mariah that we should not get obsessed with grammar to the extent we feel restricted in our posts. English is not my mother tongue and I am proficient in five languages. I studied British English in India but stick to American spelling in my posts - a legacy from my experience with Yahoo! Voices and another. I do try not to make grammar (is it grammatical?) mistakes and am not sloppy in writing. I try to improve though over time to better my posts. Appreciate your honest take - siva

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author avatar Mariah
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Thank you for your input Siva,
I very much appreciate your support.
I have yet to read one of your articles that is not journalistic perfection.
Our writing site is a pleasurable pastime for most, and although grammar and spelling is of course important, mostly for the benefit of the reader, we don't want introduce a meticulous grammar perfect regime, putting writers under pressure
and undermining the confidence of both existing writers and new members.

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author avatar Terry Trainor
28th Sep 2013 (#)

As a person who writes mostly prose readers may think that the articles I write are poorly written as they do not adhere to the strict codes of correct grammar. Their perception of my work will be undermined and I will come across as an uneducated fool. I find this very unfair because prose combines the characteristics of poetry and it is recognized officially and accepted that prose deliberately breaks the rules to highlight mental images or emotional effect. So prose is has fewer rules and limitations. These limitations come under the heading of “free verse” and it allows a break from the rigidity of traditional rules. My problem with these grammatically Dickensian articles is that someone may enjoy some of my prose but think I am an idiot because I put a punctuation mark in the “wrong place.” If we are to have rigid posts on writing behavior would the authors please do some research, if they do that research they will find that grammatical rules are neither black nor white and it will save embarrassing writers who do understand what they are doing. A wise man once said a “little knowledge is a dangerous thing.”

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author avatar Mariah
28th Sep 2013 (#)

And don't you ever change that unique and wonderful style of yours...
If some readers are unfortunate enough not to understand the grammar flexibility when writing prose, then that is to their disadvantage.
Extremely talented and gifted writers, such as yourself, must overlook and disregard such uneducated judgements of their works.
I agree with the wise man, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, when applied in the wrong context.
Thank you for reading Terry, I appreciate your candid comments my friend.

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author avatar Terry Trainor
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Thanks for your kind words about my work Mariah. The more I read these pages other things spring to mind like total disrespect for fellow writers. Surely if somebody wanted to flag a spelling mistake or a grammatical error of a “friends” work then they should use our private messaging system. But, I’m sorry to say that some of these people on the site get a buzz from shouting to the rest of the world that someone has made a mistake. What next a Wikinut dunces corner?

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author avatar Mariah
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Ditto Terry

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author avatar Carol
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Very interesting article Mariah. I am sure some of the things I write may not be grammatically correct, but hopefully I will be forgiven if they are interesting to read. I am guilty of typos, I can spell, but I type quickly and letters get put the wrong way round, or missed out, as somebody commented about yesterday. Unfortunately when you mistype something underneath an image you have uploaded, the only way I can see to correct it is to delete that image and add another one in its place, then it gives you the choice of writing something different underneath. I hope that make sense, you may know what I mean, as I do know how to spell intelligent.

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author avatar Mariah
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Totally agree with you Carol.
We all make minor mistakes in our writings.
This is exactly the what I'm getting at, we don't want to lose the spirit of the site with
judgemental attitudes on grammar use.
It's interest in the content that matters most to the majority of us.
We are all friends here and I assure you Carol, there isn't
one of your readers who has any doubt on the fact that it was no more than a simple typing error, when spelling the word intelligent.
That comment on your page was totally vicious and extremely disrespectful.
You are a first class writer and
it is well seen that this person has no knowledge whatsoever of your writing caliber.
Thank you for reading and commenting Carol.

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author avatar Carol
1st Oct 2013 (#)

Thank you Mariah for your comments, I was mortified when I read that post, your support means a lot to me! xx

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author avatar Stella Mitchell
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Yes - Yes - Yes ! and Here - Here - dear wee hen ...or then again ...is it Hear- Hear ? To be or not ' two ' be, too ? That is the question, which or what or that, I pose to you .... the answer could be any one , or maybe anyone ...or may be none , depending on who's asking who and whose turn it is to answer when someone's asking the whosoever in the know ...and if it's someone new who knew , then perhaps , we of lesser sense and sensibility should lay down our pens and rue the day ...that in among our gathering may have been an Einstein or a Maestro who's gift might, or may, be forever lost all for a missed apostrophe....
Ah. What can that man in the white coat be doing at my door ? Maybe it's something I wrote ! Can't imagine what though !
Many blessings coming your way ..my wee Scottish lass.
Stella ><

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author avatar Terry Trainor
28th Sep 2013 (#)

It's the Comma Police.

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author avatar Mariah
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Hide your commas.. and lock all your doors ha ha ha

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author avatar Stella Mitchell
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Can't imagine who they could possibly be ?
Maybe they are looking for a Hyphen or two .
It's those people who add lots of dashes that we need to watch out for ...
I think there's one twinkling round here a few times ...
Peculiar creatures them ..
Molly could probably sniff them out if given half a chance .
Blessings Galore .
Stella ><

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author avatar Mariah
28th Sep 2013 (#)

ditto Stella

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author avatar Mariah
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Bravo, Bravo Stella my dear friend, a first class Thesis on the truth behind the Great Grammar Debate.
The man in the white coat is from Interflora, delivering many appreciative bouquets of flowers.. from the common sense brigade.
Thank you.
Your wee hen xx

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author avatar Stella Mitchell
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Ah . The scent is Heaven sent . Received ( i before e except after c ) dear hen with grateful appreciation .
Wow ! Red roses ....just in time for my birthday ..Lovely.
He he !
More Blessings coming your way wee hen ( sounds a bit Chinese )
Stella :-) ><

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author avatar Terry Trainor
28th Sep 2013 (#)

When is it your birthday Stella?

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author avatar Mariah
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Ha ha ha...you are so witty Stella, I just love your humour.
God Bless xx

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author avatar Stella Mitchell
28th Sep 2013 (#)

It's all the elocution lessons I had to go through as a child that did it...I can't remember my Betty Botter's Bitter Butter ...for my Sea Shell Seller ...so they had to send out the Leath Police - who I might add - wear white instead of blue ...Can't be too careful you know ...some very strange persons about !
Bless you all
Stella ><

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author avatar Mariah
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Ha ha ha ...just too good my dear friend...you should be writing more of your humour pages.
Yes indeed Stella, one must watch oneself in this day and age, for there is nowt so queer as folk. xx

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author avatar Stella Mitchell
28th Sep 2013 (#)

Oh . PS....
Oct 1st X

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
28th Sep 2013 (#)

I agree that it is important to write and share, but we should always strive to improve the quality of our writing. We all make mistakes but it is not those faux pas that cause trouble it is those who throw a pile of junk together and expect it to be published.

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author avatar Mariah
29th Sep 2013 (#)

Nice to see you on my page Peter.
Thank you

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author avatar Stella Mitchell
30th Sep 2013 (#)

Actually Mariah ...Jesting apart .I actually agree with Peter . No-one wants to read rubbish .For one we don't have time , and it spoils it for others and the site if it is filled with nonsense or badly put together pieces . On another site I write my poems on they don't limit the number of lines people have to write before being published , and on many occasions I have read two lines only , which have no rhyme or reason to their content . So I am all for Wikinut's stand for quantity as well as quality ..plus, I do love the English language so.
Many blessings to you sweet hen .
Stella ><

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author avatar Mariah
30th Sep 2013 (#)

I also agree with Peter, of course no one wants to read rubbish or pieces that are just thrown together.
Standards should be maintained, and improvement in writing is always positive,
that is not in dispute whatsoever.
The focus here is more on putting authors under pressure with undue grammar lessons from fellow writers.
Ego enhancing posts on
'where to put your comma's and when' is not a necessity nor respectful of fellow writers
on the site.
God Bless you too my friend
xx

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author avatar Delicia Powers
30th Sep 2013 (#)

I give you a great big Maine hug...you always get to the heart of the matter...what really counts is the heart- the sharing and support that I feel is the hallmark of Wikinut and what sets it apart from all others...your heart shines, as always Mariah...:0)

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author avatar Mariah
30th Sep 2013 (#)

Thank you so much my dear friend..from my heart to yours.
Big hug coming right back xxx

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author avatar LOVERME
1st Oct 2013 (#)

Mariah your article comes a century too late
I'm a distinction holde.....

balance find at mine

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
1st Oct 2013 (#)

Sorry, Loverme, Now is always the time to support the use of good language.

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author avatar LOVERME
1st Oct 2013 (#)

no sorry i alone am
dumb

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author avatar Mariah
2nd Oct 2013 (#)

Indeed you are not Maestro
xxx

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author avatar LOVERME
4th Oct 2013 (#)




You make me soar
above the clouds
and
make me weep today...aloud

I don't normally cry
but your poetry about me says why
today I do cry.
AND LET ME CRY
.. more
when my eyes have been wiped
of the waters of joy....
this maestro shall once again..sing a song of joy...
till then grace me with open arms
let the hugs be my paternal charms
an actor of poetry, still I will remain
in this vast and loveable Wiki nut’s poetic domain...

let not pounds add up for me...
But such respected followers I hanker for Mariah,
like thee

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author avatar Mariah
6th Oct 2013 (#)

xxx

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author avatar Kingwell
7th Oct 2013 (#)

Whenever I read or hear the word Grammar I hear again the voice of an elementary schoolteacher who long ago made his transition to that higher realm. Grammar however, has never been my strong point. Blessings.

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author avatar Mariah
7th Oct 2013 (#)

Thank you for reading and commenting Kingwell

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
7th Oct 2013 (#)

Kingwell makes an interesting point about grammar not being everyone's strong-point and the trouble is much of the modern education systems has downgraded the importance of grammar, to the detriment of a large percentage of the population.

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author avatar Mariah
7th Oct 2013 (#)

True of many aspects in today's
education systems Peter.

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