Why Wikinut Went Down, How it can Come Up

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What happened to Wkinut and how it can be brought back

Mistakes....

Wikinut made a few errors.

Firstly, what needs to be on the front page are not the best of breed posted in the past few hours. But the Best items on Wikinut.

'Star Pages' should be the best articles on Wikinut, the items published in the past few hours should be new things which have some value, yes, but not be the First thing your eye touches..

People who see excellent items are enticed to read more, and encouraged to participate.

The Star Page Joke


Star pages are five images, five links, five bold. When the spelling is correct, the grammar is acceptable, the item is on the front page. The item may be garbage. But the moderators can't make that decision.

Let me be vicious; since January 2015 certain crap writers controlled the Star Page. They might have seven of fourteen items. If you read one item by a crap writer you will never read another because it is just verbiage, very little information.

What should be on the Front page are the best items; even if they were written in 2012.

Cassandra

I knew Wikinut was going down. I'd written a number of items all predicting, warning and otherwise alerting, that the site was dropping in visitors and why and what to do.

As usual, I was ignored, attacked by pompous idiots, and so, could sit back and eat my pop corn.

As you can see from the comments beneath the articles, a pompous fool figures if he keeps repeating himself it becomes true. So...as the pompous ruled, Wikinut failed.

It didn't have to.

The failling hits

The point of sites is to get hits. The more viewers, the more popular, the more advertisers arrive.

In January of 2015, hits began to fall. This ought have been instantly addressed.

Whether Mods were to network items for users, (to avoid the 'self-spamming' attack) or do some kind of publicity, i.e. having a contest, were ideas which never were mooted.

Any reasonable owner of a business would note the drop off, and act.

The owners of Wikinut did nothing.

The Way Forward

The way forward is simple.

Be a bit more selective of what gets on the Front Page. Have mods network items for the users.

One of the problems when one tries to network their own items is, of course the; 'Self-Spammer' slap down. If Mods do it, it has more veracit.

Another trick is to Publicise the site on other writing sites, on Facebook and Twitter.

Once hits start to rise...

Based on a compete.com:

Wikinut dropped to 32k in Novemeber 2014, it had a momentary rally in December then dropped to 31 in January. Descended to 29k in May. It has settled pretty much in the 30k level after.

Why did it drop? Why did it rise? Why has it settled? These are questions the Owners should have asked and sought solutions for. And did not.

If the owners take an interest, they can see what people read, what they ignore, and deal accordingly to start the climb. Once there is a climb, then advertisers can be enticed.

Once the site can start to pay again...and there are some new guidelines...the site should be back in train.

One can not expect someone to do research and write the kind of quality article for nothing.

Yes, the pay was never good...but there were a few pennies here and there. It encouraged people to post, if not every day, then two / three times a week.

Hopefully, the Owners will bring back the Wikinut we know and loved.




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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
26th Dec 2015 (#)

Kaylar, it is true that "people who see excellent items are enticed to read more" but I refuse to see star pages as a joke. It is simply untrue to say that a star page is "five images, five links, five bold" there is no such categorisation and you have misinterpreted this particular view on several occasions. For me grammar and spelling are a vital aspect.

Your assertion that certain "crap writers" dominate the star page is grossly untrue. Most of the crap writers that I have seen every day posting and are those that left the instant Wikinut stopped paying, their posts NEVER gained a star page because their use of language was poorer than that of a ten year old - I for one am glad they are gone. One writer you referred to as "crap", who you privately gave me the name of, writes perfectly good English and structures their writing well, the only criticism being that their material was reproduced from Examiner.com - that writer only had star pages 5 out of ten occasions.

You refer to failure because of the amount of hits the site gets. Each writer bears a responsibility in part to publicise their own material. Personally my own readership has been as prevalent in December as it was for any month this year. Those writers who simply wish to "Publish", then "Publish" again will always fail because they don't spend time publicising their material, frankly I am glad we are well rid of those writers and Wikinut is a better community because of that.

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

Just before we demonized that writer had 7 items on the star page....republished...yes...also spliced...one item, cut in half...printed as two items.

Grammarly and Spellcheck does not a good writer make

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
26th Dec 2015 (#)

I am sorry but I disagree, the way forward isn't simple, but one thing is does require is investment. I will agree that Wikinut needed to have an account on each of the major social sites and publicise the featured and star pages. That said the owners are not the only ones who need to publicise the site, as I said before that responsibility lies with the writers.

My question is how the owners gain investment to develop the site, solve that problem and maybe you will see a resurgence of Wikinut.

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

Yup...pompous. It is in your face. The reality of the Star Pages...what happened...and yet...you still argue.

The site has dropped in views.
Go to Compete. Com

Now match that with the Star Page where for the First Time in Wikinut History...one Crap Writer would have 7 items on the page...1 so-called writer.

Look, some people hold on to their ideas with more force than their children.

Hits dropped....Fact

Writers left....Fact

Site no longer pays...Fact

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author avatar spirited
26th Dec 2015 (#)

To some of us the front page was never even viewed.

Some writers never knew it even existed.

I was always surprised at the number of authors who were/when told that they were the authors of the day, yet had never been to the front page or knew what it was even after years of writing here. (or how to find it)

One thing that I think should have been improved was the search function. It is not very good.

There should be an extra search function to search authors names too, I think.

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
26th Dec 2015 (#)

Hits dropped....Fact

Untrue - hits on my articles have maintained prior levels throughout December. Writers are responsible in part for bringing hits.

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

When a writer tries to network what s/he has written, it gets no respect...self-spammer...

A writer can put an item on their facebook page...but not reddit, not stumble...not digg

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

You're a mod...everything you write is a star page...so you get the usual Star Page hits...

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

Writing sites make $ by Ads. Ads are required. Ads go by views.

Get views, get hits.

How to get views?

Good pieces...

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
26th Dec 2015 (#)

You will not have me disagree that good pieces bring views. My personal view stats have remained steady.

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
26th Dec 2015 (#)

I have seen the Compete,com stats, but clearly see them differently to you. there isn't any site on the web where spikes occur month-on-month, this even happens with the top sites on the web. The fact os the averages remained constant.

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

go to compete.com. put in Wikinut. Notice. The drop in November. Notice the Spike in December, notice the drop in Janauary...it is real...get new glasses if you can't see it.

I didn't compile the data. The data is real.

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
26th Dec 2015 (#)

I will add the following, eventhough you will not appreciate the sentiments. This is a comment made on Sam Wormleighton's page.

Susan Heney
26th Dec 2015 (#)

Appreciate the recent updates on Wikinut. Am a loyal reader. Mostly, I write journal style which is easiest w/out constraints on my disability. Am pleased that many familiar people remain here. Have found no equal to the quality, variety and sincerity of Wikinut and its writers.

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

uh huh....

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

Some Years ago, I was on a writing site. A particular user claimed she was being attacked. Then suddenly, her children came on to say that their mother had a stroke because of the pressure on the site.

Every writer has a syntax. Her children had the same syntax as her.

Funnily enough, I knew her on another site...and she was publishing there...

A site has to do what is best for the site.

If I were hired as a troubleshooter for this site..(I have been hired for businesses, i.e. hotels, restaurants, etc. so I know what I saying...)

I would begin with the decline in hits. I would analyse the site...what changed? A site goes from 50k moving up, reaching 80k... then drops...what happened?

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author avatar spirited
26th Dec 2015 (#)

I added a comment to this page above but because of the add I didn't notice that I hadn't put the comment at the bottom of the page.

Comments inserted like this I found were often missed or lost, to readers, who just look for the latest comment at the bottom of the comments.

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author avatar kaylar
25th Feb 2018 (#)

Yes, that is true

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

I saw your item at the top. When one goes to a site...okay..imagine...

Newwrite..(made up site)

You see some fantastic items. Not 'Halloween Costumes for Dogs" Not "Chapter 876 of Smutz and Putz"... but; something you want to read...something well written...
interesting...provoking...
You see it, you read it. it is good. You are inspired and you want to write for the site...

Compare this to seeing a writing site, and a bunch of crap articles as 'Star'....you ain't reading nothing, you ain't joining...

That is the point...that is what a Front Page should look like to the newbie...The Newbie should see things that invite.

As members we get to log on and go to our account and as you said, we don't even know if we are writer of the day because there is no notification...another flaw that Can be corrected.

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author avatar spirited
26th Dec 2015 (#)

Thanks Kaylar.

One thing that I didn't like much about wikinut, was that it was so hard to edit your own pages, or even the coments that you make here.

I couldn't go back and fix that spelling mistake in the word comments above, for instance, if I made it in a comment, and missed spotting it.

I have since joined mylot, and it is far more easier there to edit an entry, or a comment.

With a smalkl spelling error in my article, I often just let it stay there, because the moderators were overworked, and I didn't want to give them extra work fixing these small errors for me constantly.

Every article I wrote, there was usually one small error like this that got through somehow.

A comma missing, from a quote, or some small typoe,
like that, so hard to fix anything here it became annoying.

Even if you did submit it for a fix, the time taken again before your article came back fixed also became a little annoying at times.

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

yes...I know exactly what you mean...and sometimes you'll see an error, you'll fix it...and 24 hours pass...if not longer...so...as you mention...nah baddah...(don't bother) as we say in Yard.

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author avatar spirited
26th Dec 2015 (#)

even the formatting got messed up sometimes, like that line above too.

I was afraid to use the preview, because the bug that made articles disappear, seemed to be more prevalent when you used this feature.

I lost many an article altogether, after simply viewing the preview, and trying to come back to my newly written article, which was now gone somewhere.

With this known annoying bug existing for years, something should have been done about it much earlier.

The bug was even in the comments, sometimes a comment like this would not stick, and was lost then too.

I had to make copies of everything I had just written before submitting it, and remember to do that even with my comments!

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author avatar kaylar
26th Dec 2015 (#)

I know exactly what you're saying. I went to fix an item..and it went into the ether. It annoyed me no end.

It was glitchy and there was no way to fix it...because your favourite mod, for example...didn't have the power....This is called Absentee Landlord...

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author avatar spirited
26th Dec 2015 (#)

Both facebook and mylot have a feature where you can just like a comment, an article, or a reply to a comment.

This is a great feature which would have been good here on wikinut.

We would know that we are being read then more too.

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author avatar kaylar
27th Dec 2015 (#)

That's a good idea...the 'like'. Some people will read, nod, and have nothing to add...

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author avatar Sivaramakrishnan A
27th Dec 2015 (#)

I do hope Wikinut is on the mend with the stock taking in right earnest.

It is a double whammy as not only is there no income but many have become dormant too waiting for some light down the dark tunnel.

As for myself, I did my best to identify with the requirements of the site and met some wonderful people. I was more intent on networking with them than with my weekly postings to keep the adrenaline flowing.

I felt the marketing efforts let the site down more than anything else - siva

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author avatar kaylar
27th Dec 2015 (#)

Siva; as you know; when it comes to networking, for me to up thumb my own work is 'self spamming'. So we can't market the work we write.

Mods should network, the site should promote...earn their money on our writing.

Quality is vital, of course.

The point is; I warned the site of the falling hits...the site did nothing...

let me say they continued to push crap writing...

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author avatar SaigonDeManila
28th Dec 2015 (#)

Points are noted on this article...but I see the front page is the "featured" -something a system or admin may have designed whereas the Star page is a designated page who made the cut base again on separate critera whatever it was...from time to time moderators give TIPS how to make it. Now back to the burning issue which is Why wikinut failed, ys I agree as the announce,ent had claimed, WIKINUT management wa sincognito over the years already while moderators have limited access or power to turn the situation around. Base on my simple ranking analysis on my other article..the industry is not really that vibrant anymore, the wicked marketng fce and othe elements made the survival as volatile as any publicly listed company. Writers come and go but i still see more opportunities here in a User Generated Content than my own dormant blogs...though I heard "tweeting" would help more to promote one's article as one best practice to get views than relying on the site activities.
My 2cents.

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author avatar kaylar
28th Dec 2015 (#)

Interesting is the key. Whether Giblet wants to admit it or not. Any item which has 5 images, 5 bold, 5 links where the spelling & grammar are acceptable IS a star page.

Star Pages are done by A.I.

The problem on Wiki was that crap writers know this, so they played it.

Now the Top Crap Writer, the one who used to have 7 items on Star Page is gone...

can't rip off the site any more. Can't fool the Mods any more

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author avatar SaigonDeManila
28th Dec 2015 (#)

Hmmm...interestngly...my last 5 articles over a period of 20days I got 4 Starbadge only one of those articles have 5 images. 3 of those Star badge articles have 4 images (video included) so to ne honest am confused with the Star badge since one of my none star badge have 5 images the othe has only 3. If you jotice ak not taling about lnks becasue my artles have plenty to promote previous and related post.
So for A.I (artificial intelligence?) or who ever it was he is very erratic rewarding the Star badge really. My other cncern however that am supposed to ask on separate articles was the nut points. Wkinuts said any article that got hundred(or 300?) views can have 25 nutspoints but from my experience it was never given.
Again I would rather blame the sytem than the powerless moderators that in many occasion denies they have anything to do if at all in giving the STARs which for most us writer was a good bragging rghts and intrnsc rewards than the few cents our artcle can earns here.

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author avatar kaylar
29th Dec 2015 (#)

oh yeah...I don't blame the Mods! Please don't think that.

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author avatar SaigonDeManila
28th Dec 2015 (#)

..pardon the typo errors am tired and tipsy on my time zone @2am on my end. *Erratum...i mean 6 articles the last 20 days not 5..
Good day to all.

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author avatar Peter B. Giblett
28th Dec 2015 (#)

Saigon, DO NOT listen to what Kaylar states in relation to star pages - her rules are NOT fact. Spelling and Grammar are as crucial as a well formatted piece.

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author avatar kaylar
29th Dec 2015 (#)

A Moderator...on Wikinut...explained to me the criterion for a Star Page.

That's where I got the 5 by 5

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author avatar kaylar
1st Sep 2016 (#)

You're still right...huh? Wikinut is dead, and you're still right?

Other sites ignore your work, but you're still write. Amazing.

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author avatar kaylar
29th Dec 2015 (#)

What I find so remarkable is that there are how many comments? And how many ideas?
And where's the Owners?

You remind me of one chap who was really angry, man he was cussing me, he was loading my articles with the nastiest comments, he was ready to die for PAA...
And then PAA kicked him to the pavement.

He hasn't been around much since then.

Keep marching...keep singing..you know the song... Two legs good, Four legs better

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author avatar M G Singh
30th Dec 2015 (#)

Wikinut coming back? You heard of the Dodo, it remains extinct ! I expect the site to fold up completely within a year. It will be a sad end.

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author avatar M G Singh
30th Dec 2015 (#)

Further- there are many still rooting for Wikinut. There were many similar on Helium and PAA. They also joined the Dodo , what a shame !

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author avatar kaylar
30th Dec 2015 (#)

It isn't likely for Wikinut to come back...but it is possible. I liked the site....but it possible that it is a Dodo

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author avatar SaigonDeManila
23rd Jan 2016 (#)

..if the heart of the matter is being profitable yet seeng the site now already embarkng a good ads revivals...why dont we have a monatorium for few months for the site to recoup enough time to build some muscle before giving back to the source -the writers- whats due for them? The structural and behavioral adaptation of everything from animals to higher specie can not be denied. If the bears need to hibernate and wait for the end of winter, why we homo-nutty-sapiens can't do it for the very survval of our trbe and artistic conclave?

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author avatar kaylar
23rd Jan 2016 (#)

Saigon, the point is Hits. When a site descends from 80k to 50k the owners should be doing what they can to get it back up. Not watch it drop to 30k.

The only way that Wiki can come 'up' is if hits increase.

And hits don't look like they will.

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author avatar SaigonDeManila
26th Feb 2016 (#)

Agrees....

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author avatar kaylar
27th Feb 2016 (#)

So Wikinut is now non paying. So few items are posted.

And Gibbett will Never say he is wrong

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author avatar AnnH
31st Aug 2016 (#)

Interesting post, thanks for sharing......

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author avatar kaylar
1st Sep 2016 (#)

So many months later...Gibert still can't admit he's wrong.

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author avatar Tranquilpen
25th Feb 2018 (#)

Very enlightening, thank you for sharing.

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author avatar kaylar
25th Feb 2018 (#)

Thank you. I rarely come here. It is like watching a train wreck.

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author avatar SaigonDeManila
19th Dec 2018 (#)

hahaha

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