Why haven't I received any Royalties?

Peter B. GiblettStarred Page By Peter B. Giblett, 14th Nov 2014 | Follow this author | RSS Feed | Short URL http://nut.bz/37xmav-a/
Posted in Wikinut>Writing>Tips

Having received this question about royalties through my inbox, it seemed worthy of investigation, some thought, and even a public answer, especially since I wasn't sure who the user is. Payment always seems like a thorny issue, no matter what site you consider, but it often stems from a failure to understand how the system functions.

Interesting question, or is it?

Here is the question that was posted to my Wikinut inbox the other day

    I've been part of Wikinut for well over a year now, and I have not made any royalties from any of it even though I did verify my account over a year ago. I'd like to know why I haven't received any royalties?

This question appeared in my mailbox from a Wikinut user I have not heard of.

It occurred to me that as a moderator I probably know about 99% of all active users on the site so receiving this question from an unknown user certainly made me wonder, so I searched for the user name... and... nothing! That is unusual because even if I search for inactive users I normally find something, but it is indeed rare to find nothing about a user at all in searches, but I was not going to stop at that. I did actually find the user and found she had produced 10 pages in the past year, with the user actually joining during October 2013, then I noticed the big problem.

Poetry

So here we are, a user who has written a grand total of 10 pages, having less than one thousand views and all pages were poetry, for anyone who is knowledgeable about the workings of the Internet they should know that poetry does not perform well on-line, and please do not take my word for it, please look at Mark Gordon Brown's article Why Poetry Does Not Pay Well on the Internet because he lays it out there for everyone to clearly see why and I repeat here some of Mark's reasoning here:

  1. Poets who only write for the money are not going to get rich quick
  2. 6 out of 10 submissions are poems, but
  3. Few people are searching on-line for poetry
  4. Most poems are short, under 100 words. Search engines often will not show articles under 300 words
  5. As most poems are short, they are quick to read and do not give advertisers value for money

I would also add that the majority of poems that I moderate do not work well from an search engine viewpoint, either, as there are few opportunities to use keywords that are from words used in the poem itself as many of the feelings generated are not words used in the poem itself, and of course the A-number-1 most irrelevant word used on the internet is a keyword used in 99% of all poems and that word is "LOVE"

Clearly a storm of controversy regarding the publication of poetry.

I Love You! So What?

So there you are, look up the word "love" on Google and you will find that there are close to a billion pages that include that word, so what chance has your love poem of being found, in fact this article has probably a greater chance of your tiny little love poem being found under the search phrase "love poem", or "humorous poem" if this phrase were part of the keywords selected for this article it would have more chance of being found than a small poem of less than 100 words, especially if the words are not actually used in the body of your poem.

To be crystal clear I am not criticising you as a poet, if that is what you are, but stating some facts about how the Internet interprets poems.

You may say "I love you" but the Internet says "so what?" There is simply too much information that uses that particular phrase and one thing must be remembered above all, which is that Google likes unique combinations of words that can drive its indexing programmes, you would have more chance of being found by talking about the space dwelling bats from Jupiter's moons than you would humanity's favourite topic, love - definitely a love-hate scenario.

So why no Royalties?

Every writer on Wikinut should know when they get paid. Monies will be accumulated in your Wikinut account until you reach the payout threshold. There is an article by The Chief Nut that explains how payments work, but in order to make this clear. Firstly it is necessary to know that the payout threshold has been reduced to £2.50 (and yes unlike most writing sites on the web this site is owned by a British company and hence payments are made in GBP) and here is how it works:

  1. You have written many articles and by 31st of December you accumulated £1.77 worth of royalties.
  2. You add articles and by 31st of January you accumulate £2.68 worth of royalties.
  3. No payment is made in February because the amount in December was insufficient for payment.
  4. A payment is made in March for £2.68 royalties
  5. The process starts all over again.

To be paid by Wikinut you must have a PayPal account.

The crucial challenge of payment of royalties is continuing to build the number of articles that you publish and ensure that your material is read by a large number of people, in part this is aided by good spelling and grammar, making your contribution interesting, making it long enough, ensuring the key words are relevant, using social media to publicise your contribution. Make all this work and you will be on the road to success, but in order to build royalties there is much work to do.

Image Credits

The following images were used in this article

  1. Question Mark By IMSI (royalty free image collection purchased by writer.
  2. In the Storm by IMSI
  3. I hate you by Peter Giblett
  4. Gold dollar sign from Dreamstime (acquired as a royalty free image)

Are you writing to be seen?

The following are some of the more recent articles that Peter Giblett has published:

Each person has a unique voice and Wikinut is great a place for you to share some of your wisdom, insight and knowledge, you could start by adding a comment, but perhaps you need something more in which case should join Wikinut, write then become connected to others who share a passion for writing, supporting one another, and learning on Wikinut.

Tags

Good Spelling Good Grammar, Google Likes, Moderator, Payment, Poetry, Publicise Your Contribution, Relevant Key Words, Royalties, Search Engine Viewpoint, Unique

Meet the author

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
Author of "Is your Business Ready? For the Social Media Revolution"

Social media consultant, with C-Level background.

Share this page

moderator Mark Gordon Brown moderated this page.
If you have any complaints about this content, please let us know

Comments

author avatar Nancy Czerwinski
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Peter, thank you for sharing this information. I absolutely love Wikinut. I have met some of the most interesting people in the world. I think it was my lucky day when I came here. I'm not sure if I have my PayPal attached to my account or not. I have to check and see if it is. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I really appreciate it. I do love writing poetry but I do know that writing factual items will boost my account. I was wondering if articles about history have a tendency to do well. History articles are some of my personal favorites. I love to read them and comment on them.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Nancy, I love to read historical articles but have not researched to know how they perform, my guess is they do perform well.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Mark Gordon Brown
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Great post Peter! Thanks as well for referring people to my article. I actually recall somebody getting mad at me when I wrote it, they were furious at me that poetry did not pay well. It is hardly my fault.

People here can really help themselves earn more, not just by writing more, but by writing better (note Peter's post is an excellent example of an original, informative post), and by promoting their post on Facebook, Google+ and Twitter.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Thank you Mark. Good quality writing is one of the most important facets people can make.

Reply to this comment

author avatar brendamarie
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Thank-you this information. I do write a lot of poetry myself but I also write articles as well.

It never occurred to me that poetry was not worth it to advertisers not that I plan to stop writing poetry most of my poems are at least 300 words

but this is good to know.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
17th Nov 2014 (#)

I would never suggest people give up what they love about writing.

Reply to this comment

author avatar spirited
17th Nov 2014 (#)

"Google likes unique combinations of words"

I will try to remember this, probably the hardest thing to do for me has been understanding how these tags work.

The one word "poetry" would be lost then as a tag, but something like, "A poem on Zen moments", is better.

What is the best length of tags. I see some people use very long ones, whole sentences even, do they work, or are they also actually reducing the chance of your article being found?

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Spirited, the trouble with a tag like "A poem on Zen moments" is that it may be true but you may never use those specific words in the the poem itself, which means Google will ignore your tag.

As to length of tags, they should generally be one, two or three words in length.

Reply to this comment

author avatar spirited
17th Nov 2014 (#)

thanks Peter, so they (tags)should generally be taken directly from some of the words used in our actual post then.

If I use the word "poem" as a tag, I should include the same word in either my title, or my poem itself then.

I never realised how specific Google is then. I thought that if I just used general tags like poem, short story, or poetry, my article would be included in what was found. Maybe it is, but with such general tags would it be lost in the millions of hits for those words.

Is it more the combination of tags used together that work best then?

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
17th Nov 2014 (#)

A couple of years ago tags did not have to be a part of the words in the article, now they need to be - it is all about how SEO has developed over the years, for example if you are writing about "life experiences" but never use those specific words in the poem (yet every reader get it), the sad thing is the computer does not. This makes things very tough for the poet because so much in implied or intimated through poetic words.

Reply to this comment

author avatar viewgreen
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Great article and thank you for share this valuable information.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Rebecca Guerrero
17th Nov 2014 (#)

All poets should recognize the fact that we will not get rich through poetry. It's the way it has been and it will continue to be so. Many people write poetry, but they write it in a type of conversational way. And this can be ok, but in writing the conversational poem, they also make a declaration that only they understand. They don't comprehend that poetry has to have a universal element. That means people/readers need to be able to relate to what we are saying. Many poets make the poem too subjective. I am a poet. But I am also a writer and use whatever form I can to get my message heard.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Rebecca, it is not just poets, but all writers that should recognise that they will not get rich through on-line writing.

I agree poetry has a universal element and know the words are more than merely subjective in nature but getting seen today is more about Google recognising what you have to say.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Joginder
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Nice post, but please explain how sites like Bubblews and Daily Two cents pay 10 times more than sites like wikinut. This after reduced payments on Bubblews.They accept only posts of 100 words. Where are the search engines in their cases? Please explain

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Have you ever tried to find anything from Bubblews via Google? You can't! Bubblews seems at the moment to be self funding because users are finding the advertising relevant to their needs. No-one outside of the Bubblews community even knows of the site. That said I will milk it while it continues to survive.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Sivaramakrishnan A
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Every time I read about payouts from online sites, I see much passion and emotions in readers' comments. I have been paid thrice - amounts of GBP 2.50 plus - when I cross about 5000 nut points. I do not promote my articles much though. As I had said before, many sites flatter only to deceive in the end, so I am here with a take - slow and steady wins the race. I know only too well no one can become rich or famous from writing sites but no harm in trying! Thanks Peter for some home truths - siva

Reply to this comment

author avatar Legend
17th Nov 2014 (#)

definitely valid points Siva!
Although i think that income has been improving lately - is it wikinut or is it the readers - do you think?

Reply to this comment

author avatar Sivaramakrishnan A
17th Nov 2014 (#)

I think it is both Legend. We should lend our shoulders to the wheel to make it move faster! siva

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Siva, I do not like to write about payments, except that I do see a lot of moans and groans about non-payment from on-line sites (including those that people seem to be in full praise of) and I agree that slow and steady is the way to go.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Legend
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Great and informative article as well as the discussion following.
I would like ot point out that if you pile several poems into one post then you get a better rating - if the pile is something worth browsing through

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Legend, you do have a good point there. A compilation will gain more traction, especially if they're related to the same subject matter and if each poem is broken down into a separate section.

Reply to this comment

author avatar GV Rama Rao
17th Nov 2014 (#)

As usual a great and informative post useful especially for the rookies.

Reply to this comment

author avatar tafmona
17th Nov 2014 (#)

a nice post, keep sharing

Reply to this comment

author avatar Bodylevive
17th Nov 2014 (#)

Very good post, I suppose it will be some time before I ask that question. Good to know info, thanks for sharing.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Retired
18th Nov 2014 (#)

This information was detailed and very easy to understand. Thanks so much for clarifying the many points about SEO and other Google related key word mysteries.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Phyl Campbell
19th Nov 2014 (#)

Image Credit #3 reads like a book title. Sorry, I'm easily amused.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
19th Nov 2014 (#)

Not a book I would write though.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Stella Mitchell
19th Nov 2014 (#)

I love writing poetry Peter , and I love writing on Wikinut.....
I do not write for the money so I don't have to worry about it , but I did get a pleasant surprise when I noticed the grand sum of £2. 63p in my account .
It made me smile ...so that was worth it all .
God bless you
Stella ><

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
19th Nov 2014 (#)

The payment always brings a smile when it happens - but like you I never fuss about whether it will happen.

Reply to this comment

author avatar M G Singh
20th Nov 2014 (#)

After a long time I read your post and then saw that till date Wikinut has paid me £67.37. Thats a fair amount compared to others on wiki nut. Everysite has its plus and minus points. I just enjoy writing and with 3 novels due for launch I am happy. A bit to muse on Wikinut as so many old pals have left. I think they gave up fast. No doubt wiki is a distinct site and should remain that way.

Reply to this comment

author avatar M G Singh
20th Nov 2014 (#)

Another point Peter, I never bother about stars etc and only concentrate on writing a post which my analysis shows will garner the max readership

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
20th Nov 2014 (#)

Madan, I have still earned more here than on any other site (including Bubblews) and I am paid regularly. Star pages don't bother me either, but I do know they are also a sign of good writing.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Retired
2nd Dec 2014 (#)

Thanks for the clarification Peter.

Reply to this comment

author avatar puncakceria
10th Dec 2014 (#)

Informative article. Thank you for sharing this.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Sherri Granato
18th Dec 2014 (#)

Informative and good to know.

Reply to this comment

author avatar Val Mills
2nd Jan 2015 (#)

Thanks for writing this Peter, I'm in the process of reminding myself how this place works!

Reply to this comment

author avatar Peter B. Giblett
3rd Jan 2015 (#)

You are most welcome Val.

Reply to this comment

Add a comment
Username
Can't login?
Password